Duh Why's Men
Duh Why's Men
DWM Underground Talks with Taylor
What if the Bible held deeper connections to our world than we ever fathomed, touching upon realities of inter-dimensional beings, the supernatural, and even theories on cloning and DNA manipulation? Would you be ready to unravel these enigmatic threads? We sat down with Taylor from Talks with Taylor, a member of Punk Farm Media Group, to explore these fascinating dimensions of our existence.
Taylor shared striking tales about growing up with eerily parallel supernatural experiences to his brother. From waking up to demons circling his bedroom ceiling, to encounters with shadow entities speaking in an unheard language; Taylor's experiences will send chills down your spine. More intriguingly, we also delved into his thoughts on the Bible's narrative, interwoven with tales of Nephilim, hybrids, and the Earth as a spiritual battleground. We also dared to touch upon controversial topics like cloning, hybrid armies, and the potential DNA-altering effects of vaccines.
From discussing the ties between occultism and Christianity to exploring the intricate relationship between the New World Order and multiple religions, our conversation took many a stimulating turn. We pondered over the implications of diverse religious beliefs and cultural influences, including Taoism, Transhumanism, and the devil's control over the music industry. We even traced the intersecting narratives of aliens, the occult, and the Bible's story of creation. So buckle up, let go of all preconceived notions, and tune in as we journey through these head-spinning revelations with Taylor.
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Speaker 2:Underground. Welcome to the Underground. Watch your head.
Speaker 3:Greetings and salutations. Welcome everyone to another episode of the Wisemen Tonight's really special episode for us. We're really looking forward to it. First, I'm Louis, the meme lord with the dankest memes.
Speaker 1:And I'm D-MAT and I do not really have anything tonight. Oh my god, I am the worst. I could not think that fast.
Speaker 2:There you go, there you go, there you go. I am the worst, and I am the worst. I love lamps Small.
Speaker 4:And.
Speaker 3:I am.
Speaker 4:Taylor, and I'm a Florida man.
Speaker 3:Hey, nice, nice, all right For those of you listening, you heard a new voice with us tonight. That is Taylor from Talks with Taylor. He is a fellow podcaster and a fellow member of the Punk Farm Media Group.
Speaker 3:For those of you who haven't heard yet. We have all joined up with Punk Farm Media Group and that's where you're going to be able to listen to us our audio stuff from now on. But Taylor has a YouTube channel as well and you can catch him on Spotify A very interesting guy. If you can see us, you can see him, and just right off the bat, you have questions, I'm sure. So tonight we're going to answer some of those and have a good time. Talk about all the things. All right, taylor, it's all yours.
Speaker 4:All right. Hello, I'm Talks with Taylor podcast and this is the Wise man. I'm glad to be here with you all. I want to just get right into it. So basically, I talk about all the friend stuff, all the weird stuff you could possibly think of that your mom and dad tell you to stay away from. So we talk about phone angels, cryptids, supernatural stuff, sra, all sorts of stuff like that. So when they'll further ado, what have you been researching the most you guys lately? On all the friend stuff, let's get right into it.
Speaker 1:Angels and demons. I gotta say it, I've been digging deep into this Same.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's kind of hard not to right now If you have if you've paid any attention to anything that's been going on in the world and you went to church. Once in your life you're like, ah crap, it's happening. I mean, notice, we can see them more often too.
Speaker 4:There's so much more stuff going on Like you wouldn't ever see that crazy thing in the sky. Hey, I heard Todd saw something last year and it's like constantly people are seeing stuff in the sky, and it's not just SpaceX. For all those people like, oh, it's just Elon Musk shoot them rockets and stuff. No, it's not just that. Oh you know, yeah, it's really made me think.
Speaker 1:It's really made me put a few things together, because I mean, when you've, when you've been down the road, we've I think all four of us have. You can see a lot of the government involvement right and with a lot of things and there's just been so much official story, I guess, like official narrative, that's been like yeah, breaking through the veil.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's been like out of nowhere. I think it's, there's definitely some purpose behind it and, like you said, like all this kind of stuff is starting, I guess the activity is starting to, you know, be more prominent. Yeah, be more prominent. And me as a, as a as a Christian. I've been a Christian since I was 19 years old and I've never truly dug into the Bible as much as I have recently.
Speaker 1:And and I think, I think my perspective has changed a lot because I've, especially in the past couple years, like I've, dabbled into the alien stuff, the occult stuff, the cryptid stuff just as recently which, like I think Louis kind of you know, guided me involuntarily, but you know to that area.
Speaker 1:But I've now been reading the Bible with a different perspective than I have in the past and it's been answering tremendous amount of questions in my, my opinion, and I've I've been hearing too that there are there's more people having this experience. There's more podcast groups. There's more more people are talking about angels and demons.
Speaker 3:Having an awakening.
Speaker 4:Right, right yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's just all connected. Right, it's all I think it is. I think it's, it's all connected. And then when I'm reading certain stories in the Bible and I see, holy whoa, like did I just read about a cryptid Like just now? Right, You're like, hold on, I did not see it that way, or at least a majority of churches don't talk about it in that way.
Speaker 4:Right, and it's troubling and I find it very disturbing. I'm also a Christian and so I find it pretty disturbing when they're trying to oh, we don't talk about that stuff because you know it's just weird. And yeah, you know, our church will look weird if we talk about I'm like bro, the whole Bible is freaking spiritual. Like what are you talking about, bro? We got people rising from the dead and talking donkeys and you know like it's it's weird, we got. Nephilim giants. Yeah, like bro. Come on now, like yeah.
Speaker 1:And I remember way back I think it had to be maybe almost three years ago now Louis sent me a it was like a story audio on YouTube about a it's probably a Celtic giant, to be honest, with you living in Afghanistan, or something and like took out a team of Marines, yeah, and you know had, and they have to shoot it in the head or like yeah, the Gandahar giant.
Speaker 4:Yeah, they had to shoot it in the head or something just to take it down with like a 50 cal or something crazy. I don't know what was it. Oh, Jesus.
Speaker 2:Oh, they do that thing up, guys.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and I think one of them like an orange haired, like Gandahar giant that they took down. Yeah, I'm like well.
Speaker 3:I've talked to so many people who've seen those.
Speaker 4:Yeah, the javelin, the big old javelin, that's crazy. Oh, could you imagine, man? Oh my gosh, oh dude you know the velocity that that's throwing that thing just availed.
Speaker 1:Dude, it's like in the movies, you know, like zoom.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 1:It like takes a guy 15 feet and like sticks them in a wall and he's just like like real tall.
Speaker 2:It knocks right down.
Speaker 1:It's just weird stuff, I guess. I want to ask you, taylor, have you had any experiences? What experiences have you had? I guess UAP. Where do I start?
Speaker 4:All right, Dude, I've had experiences ever since I was a kid. Now, mind you, I'm a twin, so I'm an identical twin. Yeah.
Speaker 3:You're already mystically connected.
Speaker 4:Right, exactly, you feel me. So I and the twin thing is like, the telepathy, like the talking back and forth, like or knowing something like is real dude. I'm telling you like I could look at my twin brother and be like, yeah, okay, let's do it.
Speaker 4:You know like it's crazy. So, basically, when I was a kid, I would wake up to nightmares and I'd literally be waking up and I'd see, like almost like in cartoon form, like millions of demons I'm talking like swarms of demons just circling above my bedroom ceiling, and then I'd be always freaked out about that. Me and my brother would wake up at the same time my twin, I kid you not and then so we'd get up, go screaming down to our parents' room and then, like, as we're going to run the, I turn and look at the bookcase and it talks to me and it's like I'm going to kill you, or it's like, ah, or it's like I'm going to get you, or something scary like that. I'm like what I'm like, bro? And so I start going down the stairs and I literally feel like my feet are bigger than my actual feet, like spiritually, and it's like these demons are literally trying to trip me down the stairs, bro. And same with my twin brother, so we literally have to hold him and, like you know, I go down the stairs and by the time I get down the stairs, like I just see all these, like these weird demonic creatures just come staring at me and being like, and this is not like some like little kid, like fantasy, you know, like, oh yeah, I just pretended in my mind like this is like full on, like I'm actually seeing this, bro, and it's happened multiple times, so I'm just like what is really going on here?
Speaker 4:And then my other brother he would have like actual, like you look at zombies coming up the stairs, like he just wake up from his sleep and see like zombie type characters coming up the stairs, like in the spirit realm. And I'm like you got to be joking me, bro Like this just sounds like something out of a freaking movie and like he can say word for word what they said, what all this was happening. And I'm like, bro, so it's definitely real with that. But as I got older, like I studied these things as like yo, what the heck is really all this about? And you look at it even from a dark aspect and the occult aspect. I always figured it like okay, these people obviously know demons are real, they know the devil's real right. So therefore God has to be real. You know, like I, just it's like you got to put two and two together. You know all these demons and stuff are real, then angels and God has to be real, like yeah has anybody else experienced that Like I?
Speaker 3:have a question for you still, yeah, I got you. Like yeah for you, like did this keep going on? Was this only like in one house, or like when you moved you would happen it like?
Speaker 4:yes, it was when I moved. It still happened, bro, still happen the same things. And then as I got older, it started to stop. But as I got older, now I would start to see, like you know, I've actually dealt with a lot of deliverance ministries and stuff like that. Like so, when I'd be talking to people like I can actually, I've had demons. Like I'll be on TikTok, like I recently got banned on TikTok, I've had demons literally get mad at me.
Speaker 4:When I spoke the word of Jesus or like read a Bible verse, I've had the person right there and, like the demon came out and started to yell at me through the screen. Bro, it was so weird, like, and it happened three times and I was like what the heck was that? And then the other people would be like well, I didn't hear anything, and then one person would just be wigging out. I'm like what's going on, bro? So anytime like Jesus was mentioned or like the Bible or something like that, I noticed all these spiritual stuff started happening a lot more too, so that to me I have so many stories. I could talk for hours, but you know I'm an open book. You can ask me more questions, man, because I'm that's.
Speaker 4:that's pretty intense, bro, that's that's just the yeah iceberg of stuff.
Speaker 1:Well, it makes me think of the experience I had. These guys know this experience, but I'll share with you. I was in a relationship for a long time and I remember I went and visited my girlfriend up in Leesburg and we were all in her. We were in her dorm common room or whatever Basically an apartment living room, and we're all talking there to chat and I started kind of talking about God and my perspective on certain things and that night I had sleep paralysis and so. But I remember when I woke up I just knew something was there and I remember looking down, the, down, the, at the end of the room, and I saw this shadowed right, the shadow people right like the shadowed figure, right at the right at the doorway of the bathroom and dude it, it like zoomed up right next to me.
Speaker 2:And it started it started choking me, dude.
Speaker 1:It started choking me and it was like speaking this language. I've never heard before Fallen angel language. Right and then so it's literally choking me and you know I'm praying, I'm praying, I'm praying. And then I guess I wasn't. You know I wasn't having the reaction I was expecting, really, because it kept choking me.
Speaker 4:And so.
Speaker 1:I reached up for it and they called me the demon throat ripper. But I grabbed its throat and I ripped it out. Whoa, I mean? And so it says it disappeared, right it disappeared and my ex said she was looking at me and my hand was up in the air like ripping this thing's throat out, and so bro, dude, it's so crazy.
Speaker 2:My mic just switched and discord. That just kind of freaked me out a little bit. I don't know where. My mic just switched to my camera mic. Not even kidding.
Speaker 1:Dude, I just think that the. It's funny how, like the, what's the official narrative now that the government has come out that these are inter-dimensional beings, right, so I could see that since 1940s, you know, until until now they've become like an extra.
Speaker 1:They were an extra terrestrial category and now they're. They're moving into a different category, an inter-dimensional category, and I think it's because they know what's, they know that there's something real going on, but they, they can't put their finger on it and go well, these are actual, you know, interplanetary aliens, or or these are the real stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Or wait hold on.
Speaker 1:What we saw in the sky just broke the laws of physics, and really it's what's going on here, and I my personal opinion is that, like you go back just to Genesis in the in the first chapter and says like God created the heavens and the earth, so you have spiritual realm and then you have physical realm, and I think that earth is like the battleground.
Speaker 1:And if you if you do like, look at the official narrative. There's multiple types of alien races right that have interacted with earth and it may be questioned like well, why, why earth? Why didn't they just go somewhere else? Or why, you know, why is all these multiple, you know, civilizations of aliens coming here and interacting with us? And I was like, well, like it makes sense, like earth is the battleground, like we are kind of like the footstool of main activity, I guess you know to.
Speaker 4:I think it's like we're spirit and physical kind of mesh together. You know, and there's always like this level playing field, cause even in the Bible it talks about, you know, angels and demons, like you're battling for people's souls. So you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:Like I just yeah it gets pretty intense, even though we can't see him, you know. But sometimes we can't see him. You know what I'm saying, Cause the spirit realm is the veil, which the Bible calls. It is getting thinner and it, you know, as in the days of Noah, so it'll be the coming of the Son of man, and in those days, you know they were. You know I'm going to tell you real quick, let's start at a hijack you. But like the Noah story, we all know the Noah story right, Like you know, he goes on the, on the arc and you know, basically they got destroyed, got destroyed the earth with water to flood everything, because people were mixing with fallen angels, like daughters, a man mated with angels, and they had hybrids and a whole bunch of there's Nephilim, there's like hybrids, like where humans had, like you know, mixed with lions, mixed with all sorts of weird stuff.
Speaker 4:You ever see, like mythology, where they teach you like half man, half like goat or something crazy, like that stuff was real man, they were doing that stuff. They don't tell you that, but that's what they were doing, and the only pure blood DNA line that was only human left, I believe, was Noah's family, and that's what they're trying to do again. You notice how they're trying to. You know clone people. They can already clone people and that's what the devil's trying to do again, I believe, is he's trying to create these hybrid. You know armies of stuff and just trying to pervert whatever God's DNA was in you and get his own version of something you know that's my take.
Speaker 1:You know what that just made me think of, jesse, I think I mentioned to you once, remember there was like this what is that group called? It's like the Satanists have this.
Speaker 4:It's like almost like a super soldier or something to where like yeah, the a cold super soldiers sleeper cell type thing yeah.
Speaker 1:Like, like, where they're they? They're just waiting for the go to.
Speaker 3:I need more information on this.
Speaker 2:I was going to say the LDS church, but I don't think that's the right answer.
Speaker 1:No, it's, there's a, I forget what it was, what they're specifically called, but it makes me. It just makes me think of the movie the island. Remember the movie the island, where they kind of like make these or whatever, just the cloning aspect of things, but you know super soldier type stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean, look at what, look at what China's doing. They got the CRISPR right. And then everything here with the mRNA and the CDNA and a lot of the stuff they're doing here with the DNA in America too. It's kind of sketchy. It's like why are you messing with DNA so much?
Speaker 4:Yeah, it literally has snake venom in that shot, the CV shot. You know what I'm saying. And it literally it changes your DNA. I don't think people realize that, but it does change your DNA on a molecular level.
Speaker 2:And you're saying there's snake venom in the vaccine. Look it up.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there's literally snake venom in the back, dude.
Speaker 2:You know what's crazy. That would make sense, with all the blood clotting. Yes, I know right, and that's what snake venom does. Oh, wow, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm serious.
Speaker 4:And you look at a snake bite someone who's been bit by a snake and look at the shot and it's almost exactly similar, except for the snake that the stuff in there has like sometimes it has mixed with rabies or something different, but it's pretty similar. If you look at the side-by-side comparison and that tripped me out I was like yo, this is some crazy stuff right here Nightmarish. Yeah, nightmarish yeah nightmarish fuel dude yeah. So, and it changes your DNA.
Speaker 2:It's a little crydartist yeah.
Speaker 4:It's super hard word to pronounce Myocarditis. Yeah, there you go. And then you see all these young athletes, like you know, after they take it they suddenly die. And then they get this weird bogus story in the news like, oh, you know, this was other blah, blah, blah. I'm like we all know what it was, you know, and it's just like bro why are we trusting?
Speaker 1:It's everything else, but the source, what the shot? It couldn't be the shot at all.
Speaker 4:Yeah, no way, even though we took it two days ago, you know, yeah, right.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go back what I was talking about, like that satanic super soldier. So it's called it's called the Black Awakening, so oh, yeah, yeah, the Black Awakening.
Speaker 3:Okay, there you go I'll take it I actually want to read that book hey Booty Juice.
Speaker 1:thanks for the comment, brother. Appreciate it, booty.
Speaker 2:Juice, booty, juicy, that's right. I keep getting that guy's name wrong, I do.
Speaker 1:I like Booty Juice. It's like Beetlejuice. It's like Booty Juice. No, I don't like Booty Juice, I like Beetlejuice, because you give me that. Clip it, oh, dang it. So, taylor, how do you think a lot of this stuff mixes in with the occult? Is the? Do you know anyone specifically like in the occult? And if you do, kind of give me a, just give us a rundown of, I guess how blended, how blended they are in society blended Um, I will say that they are very finicky about we don't worship Satan.
Speaker 4:A lot of them will claim that, you know, even though I tend to disagree because the same source, different subcategory. You feel me Like, that's how I view it, but I'll catch heat for that one. But uh, the Satanists, like actual true Satanists, like they don't even claim to serve Satan. They claim, um that they serve, like you know. Um, well, let me backtrack. The people actually do serve Satan. They'll. They'll say, oh, satan was just um not the bad guy, god's actually the bad guy. And they switch it. A lot of Freemasons think the same way too. And here's another thing people get mad. You cannot be a Freemason and serve Jesus Christ. I'm gonna put that out there. I know I'm going to catch heat, I don't care. That's the truth. But here's the thing they accept all religions. Now why in the world would you accept all religion if there's only one truth according to the Bible?
Speaker 1:That always. This is theosophy right, this is the study of theosophy, and yeah, it kind of gets into it.
Speaker 4:But here's the thing like they even do rituals. Like I'm coming back to the cult aspect, they do rituals every day. I'm like bro, jesus never said to do any of this stuff, like you know. Like they have weird code, like you know, and they even have a lot of stuff that they won't tell you, a lot of lower ranks won't tell you. I don't have no idea what they're actually doing.
Speaker 4:But as you get higher in the ranks, then they know they actually serve Lucifer, the light bearer, and they do have agents, man, that, that go out and do things and like keep eyes on people and they even get connected with each other's families and like they actually curse their descendants. You know that right. Like they'll literally curse their descendants for power or fame or riches, and sometimes they'll even like, do a ritual sacrifice, you know, like to a family member or your best friend, to gain power as well. And a lot of these Freemasons are taught to lie on stuff like that, so they don't sound like they do it, but you know, of course they do. So it's.
Speaker 4:I know this because I've seen it firsthand, dude, like I've literally dated someone who whose dad was a 33 degree Mason and he, hey, he was always keeping watch on me on the marked vehicles he had, and then they had the Freemason signs that I'd be walking with her. And then she'd get a call from her dad like hey, are you with some white boy with face tattoos right now? And like, dad, are you stalking me right now? And he'd have a person in a Mason vehicle, like it had the Masonic Freemasons on the back, and then just following us around. So I'm like this stuff does go deep and it's not some like conspiracy thing, dude. You know, I've seen a lot of stuff like that Now, with more the shadow people type cult stuff.
Speaker 4:I used to talk to a person who was totally deep into it. He literally did rituals and burn candle, all sorts of stuff, man, and evoked demons, and I actually delivered them from it, you know. But he told me that he could actually speak a fallen angel language, bro, and I'm like, stop the cat, bro. And then he like literally did it in front of me. It sounded like something off a freaking Stargate, bro. And I'm like, yeah, we need to deal with that. So we got him delivered from it. But the thing is, man, he would have like fallen angels speak to him. I'm like like 10, 10 feet like fallen angels in his room with him and while I was delivering him he would have like his wife was into that stuff too. They would like they were into Wicca and all that. His wife got thrown around in the room while I was doing this, getting thrown around like literally back and forth across the wall, bro, and I could hear it in the background too. And this is how deep it goes, bro. Like they have occult. To bring it back to the cult super soldiers. They have literal programs. Even Hitler had programs for super soldier programs. So we know it's not off the table because clearly they were looking into it. It's in our movies, you know, with Captain America he's a super soldier as well, and they were, you know, making him boss and do all the stuff with experimental stuff and spiritism. But they have.
Speaker 4:What I wanted to get on was they have what's called cryptids with microchips in their heads and they call. They put them out at nighttime to hunt and bring them back, and when it starts to get daytime, but they can send them on missions to go take out people and come back. So like Wolfman, like type of stuff like this is real, like they have actual cryptids like, and even skin walkers like people who are so so like into the occult that they can shape, shift and they can literally go out and hunt people and come back and do stuff like that. And the government uses them all the time. They're not in Area 51. They're actually next to a base at Area 51. But it is. They do send them out for super soldier missions and they have what's called, like what you're saying, the shadow. Basically, the occult people who are super soldiers go with them. They have a cultic power on top of like a huge amount of arsenal that they go out with. So that's what I found very interesting.
Speaker 4:I know you probably had something you wanted to bounce off, I could see your face.
Speaker 1:So when you mentioned Wicca, so this is. This is crazy because I was talking to my mom about it earlier.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I'll just get into how that conversation started. And we were, we were talking about. I was like hey, mom, you know, because she's watching a show. It's called Sleepy Hollow. So Sleepy Hollow is all about the cryptids, the Freemasons, the dark spirits, the basically all the demons, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:And so she was like you know, you're your, your cousin is a witch, and I was like, wait, what? Hold on, and she's a. I was like hold on, wait. And I was like I know exactly who it is. Yeah, I bet, mention the name. I'll mention the name now, but, right, right, I don't want her to astral project in here and like, just like punch me in the back of the head, right so? But I do think that, so it's funny. So Wicca, right, that goes all the way back to the Thelemis, and Thelemis go back to who created that which was Alistair Crowley, right?
Speaker 1:So Alistair Crowley created pretty much, I'd say, most of the occultism, modern, modern day, that modern day occultism up today and as I was trailing back, you know from him working my way back to now and you could see like a guy like Jack Parsons right, jack Parsons was a scientist, he worked for NASA. He honestly looks like Tony Stark, real life Tony Stark, great character, like his yeah, his facial hair, everything looks like Tony Stark. Oh my gosh, and so Jack Parsons he's. He was an American rocket engineer.
Speaker 1:He was a chemist and a Thelemist, thelemite, occultist, and he there's stories of him which he helped the NASA programs, the moon missions, all this stuff, and I think all of that is is pretty deep in the occult, especially getting the knowledge part of it. You know, I think that these, these occultists were communicating to gin or whatever it is you want to call them right.
Speaker 1:So these demonic entities that were all knowing things, which pretty much that's what Damon means and giving them the abilities to create this technology and all this stuff. Especially when you look back I don't know 150 years ago, it's tremendously. I mean, they were riding on horses and still carrying around, you know, lanterns and all this other stuff to get to where we're at now. I think there had to be some sort of tapping into that other realm to get us to where we're at today, and it's kind of like when we go, go ahead, Louie.
Speaker 3:So I have a little bit of a question. What you guys have been saying is kind of so like how does this kind of a question for both of you and then maybe even Jesse, if he wants to chime in as well like how do you reconcile the obvious similarities between what is considered occultists and like Christianity and Catholicism and stuff? Because when I look at it just 1000 foot view perspective, these people over here are doing rituals and praying to whatever spirit, and then over here on the other side there's another group of people doing rituals, invoking spirits and invoking, you know, deity, the deity of their choice, like and you and you just went on to say like the ones that were into the occultists they, whatever they, however, it worked, they use that ability to create all these technologies that arguably has benefited mankind.
Speaker 4:Well, I'll look at it this way Every civilization has called upon these entities and it helped them in some way in exchange for knowledge. The Aztecs did it, the natives did it, everybody has done it in every culture. So we have progressed with the technology they gave us. But in order to get that technology, you had to make blood sacrifices, and oftentimes you look back in history and they would sacrifice their children, a ball or something crazy or do some crazy ritual. But it always has to be blood and that's why, for us, jesus Christ was the ultimate blood sacrifice for our sins. Because we're not perfect by nature. We're not perfect, but through him we were created perfect. See, it all has. This is how I boil it down.
Speaker 4:There are they pray to demons, right, which side is? Demons? On the devil, and then God has his angels. So the devil has his children and God has his as well, and there's a spiritual fact, like a faction, and a physical faction as well. So it's two sides working against each other.
Speaker 4:You can have a whole bunch of demigods which are like humans, with like a fallen angel, powers. You have like everything in between, like spirit form and physical form. You have those in hybrids even, which were our abominations, but they were created by the occult and then you have on our side it's just, you know humans like, who are the perfect, like we're created in God's image. That's why they don't like us, the demons, because we have that side that we're battling. They don't, they want to take God's DNA. They don't they. We are actually higher than angels, as it says in the Bible, because we're created in God's image and stuff like that. So they're jealous of that and because they can never attain that. That's why they're always fighting and you got these two factions always fighting against each other and they have a whole bunch of subcategories, which is the hybrids, you know, the people who are possessed with powers, because they summon these demons. You feel me?
Speaker 2:What's that? One movie where she's yelling at her sister and she's like it wants to be you, it's like that's all they want right, they just want to be you, because they can't have that physical form like we do.
Speaker 4:Right, and once an angel falls, they can never come back. They can never come back to the state of forgiveness.
Speaker 1:So like we can thank God, yeah, and to answer your question, larry like a big thing too is that once these entities, once they rebelled, they understand that their destiny is judgment and that their judgment is, you know, the lake of fire. It is eternal separation, you know, from God's presence, and I totally see what you're saying and it's like what's the difference between? Catholic and rituals, and Well, no, I see what he's saying about Christianity is doing the same motions as having a cult, as having a cultist would do with whatever.
Speaker 1:And I think that the occult is so normalized in our modern time that it's not how people perceive the occult. Even 200 years ago that you had the crusaders right, you had that time period, you had the time period before that. And one thing that I do recognize when I'm reading the Bible is that the Bible is against the occult and it's very specific, telling you and directing you basically not to get into it.
Speaker 1:Because it's very seducing it's like, because it's like when Satan, you know, is tempting Jesus, you know, 40 days, 40 nights. He's tempting him with all of these riches and power and all this stuff, and which a lot of people that are in the occult, they receive this benefit, right, and it's that Earth is the battleground and the Bible really talks about how, how to. It teaches you how to discern what is of the devil and what is of God, and that these fallen entities, with Satan being their leader, right per se, that they like to counterfeit God, because that's all they know to be most high and to be perfect. So they want to be gods themselves. Right, they wanna be. If anything, satan wants to be like the most high, right, I think it says that in Isaiah or Ezekiel or something like that. And if they can get people to pray and to, you know, try and summon their powers and all this kind of stuff, they're gonna create that ability for us humans to interact with and to do those kind of things.
Speaker 2:Basically, the occultist lead you down towards the devil and true religion leads you towards God. Yeah, like they want to be afraid to and stuff Like.
Speaker 1:I get the concept. It has similarities 100%, but it's not on the same team. Just there's two teams, right, there's good and evil and so yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, I got it. I was just gonna, so at this point to me it looks more obviously.
Speaker 2:I believe that there is a difference between good and evil.
Speaker 3:I have my relationship with God and what it is, and it seems more like a difference in religions. Just like, like if a Hindu with their polytheistic right, or I guess it is one God with many faces for Hindu, if I remember correctly, or it's your, that's what it seems more like. But obviously those, the occultists, are more going towards what we all deem as to be evil.
Speaker 1:And then yeah, and here's the thing. Right, I see exactly what you're saying, though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was just saying cause I look at it. And again, the thousand foot view. I see Catholic priests with their incense saying a chant.
Speaker 2:Oh my God, I thought you were gonna say incest Right.
Speaker 4:Yeah, but here's the thing.
Speaker 3:I will say that in front of everybody and like Catholics are.
Speaker 4:They derived a lot of their stuff from paganism. The Breyer beats from paganism.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:That whole ritual. I'm totally against Catholic stuff. Now I'm saying there are people in the Catholic faith that do have their own personal relationship with Jesus. Cause, that's, all you need is your own personal relationship with Jesus. I say so many times like that religion and a relationship with the Most High are two different things. I think and this is me speaking from my own opinion Like, yeah, the religion man-made traditions is garbage. I think, just throw it out the window. All you need is a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. And okay, so what is the church? You are the church, and what houses the Holy spirit? You do if you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and you make him your Lord and Savior. Now, all these subcategories are like are you a Baptist? Are you Lutheran? Are you Catholic? None of that matters. There's none of that in heaven, dude.
Speaker 4:Like you know like when you die, there's not gonna be like, okay, are you a Lutheran, otherwise you're not getting into heaven. You know, were you Catholic.
Speaker 3:Did you put up a?
Speaker 4:prayer beads a million times to do this and pray that. No, it's only he's only gonna ask you when you get to heaven, you know.
Speaker 2:I totally agree with you.
Speaker 4:Yeah, do you have a personal relationship with me? Did you know me or not? Did you do what I told you to do? That's it. All these politics on earth are just mumbo jumbo, and I learned that as a kid. I was like, hmm, I've been a Baptist, I've been a Lutheran and stuff like that. I've been to all these churches, dude, and I'm telling you they all have the same. It is pretty ritualistic. If you were spot on, dude, and I noticed that, I'm like God doesn't want this, god doesn't want these ritualistic stuff Even says in the Bible don't repeat your prayers and do the same thing over and over and over, like the pagans do.
Speaker 1:Hold them, get a better result. Don't beat your body and then like Catholic today yeah, don't whip yourself and be like God.
Speaker 4:Jesus already took that on the cross for you. Homie, you don't gotta do anything, right?
Speaker 2:I feel like when you pray or anything like that, you should really truly mean it and not just kind of be repetitive. Right, If you're repetitive, you're eventually just gonna be like, yeah, it's another day at the office.
Speaker 4:Right, you feel me, and God doesn't want that. Like yo, if you have a relationship like, okay, you know, if you have a relationship with your wife, right, your wife's gonna be like yo, I don't want this robot, I want something, you know. Like, I want personality, bro, you know what I'm saying. Like she's not gonna want someone who's just repeated over and over like hey, honey, you look good today, yup, okay, yup, or maybe she does you never know. Depends on who you marry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go, yeah so, Louie, you brought up a good point, and how I view you know. I think one of the strategies that Satan did was he knew that there was one truth. So what he did was is he decided to create multiple religions, and I'll circle this I'll circle this into.
Speaker 1:You know, my point is that he's like the author of confusion, right? And so he likes to deceive you, wants you to get into your own thoughts, and creating these religions, and even though I'll just say this, like, even though let's say Hinduism, right, which is what the oldest religion that's out there, that doesn't mean that that specific religion is true. It just means it could have been a Psyop back in the day, kind of like how we see a Psyop today. That has just its purpose was for now.
Speaker 1:So my point is is that it's all of these religions have created an agnostic view of God and it's just another. It's honestly against one of his commandments, right, that thou shalt not have any other gods before me. And so when I put that together, the agnostic view, I think which I respect everyone's belief in their opinion, but I think that it's a setup for what's coming later on, for the end game, and that end game is going to be when this anti Christ comes on earth and comes and he, he uses the theosophical understanding and view, which the theosophical view is, that it's, it's all it is is merging all of the religions together. It's the fact that that there's an elephant in the room and that let's say Christianity is where I'm at, and then Islam is over there, and then Hinduism, buddhism, you know, judaism, and that they're all looking at the same elephant. But it's just a different view, but that's a strategic event to bring in a new world religion.
Speaker 1:It's kind of like when we went over the Albert Pike Third Prediction of World War Three. It's like they're going to destroy the religion of the world and they're going to bring in one new age, one new age, one new age religion or whatever. I think that's the purpose. One world, everything.
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's, it's one everything in one. They want like minded, like B system type of stuff, hive mind mentality. You have to be in one government, one religion, one one, everything. That's all they want. And if you're not part of it then you're against it.
Speaker 4:And so that's why I truly believe that, like we are in the last days that the Bible described and that's there's going to be, no, there's going to be definitely differentiating, like who you serve either serve Jesus or the devil, because you're going to have to make blatant steps. I believe I believe it was Albert Pike, if I, if I'm not mistaken that said to come into the fruition of the New World Order or you're going to have to make an oath, basically to Satan. I'm paraphrasing there, but he definitely said that you, you're going to have to make it obvious and apparent that you're going to step forward with that. So I just find that kind of ironic.
Speaker 4:And the thing is, with all these different religions and stuff, look at what all these religions about me, me, me bettering myself and all about me versus Christianity. It's about being selfless and forgiving others and trying to live for other people. I just looked at it when I was a kid, like yo, like, what is the point to life if you're just living for yourself? What is that profit? Anybody but yourself, you know? Like how can you grow as a society if you're just living for yourself?
Speaker 3:Yo, I was talking about that, strangely enough, my physical therapist earlier. Yeah, we get into all these wild conversations and stuff.
Speaker 2:I actually got to start watching your on YouTube.
Speaker 3:Nice, so I had to put it on the TV while we're doing physical therapy but maybe he'll watch this one. Yeah, we were talking earlier and he he brought up Taoism, oh yeah, I've heard of that and how, like they believe that after death there's nothing.
Speaker 2:that's just blank, you're gone right. Yeah, I wish that were true.
Speaker 3:And that immediately brought to my mind All right. Well then, what's the point of being a good person Like you could just be a turd.
Speaker 4:That's what I'm saying. No, no accountability Woo. Like that's what the devil wants you to think Like yeah, there's no God, just live like hell and do whatever you want. Okay, there's no consequences to anything. Well, it's like.
Speaker 1:Jay-Z's clothing line. It says he's based. So without will yeah, do without will, which is another saying that I believe. I'm not sure if it was Crowley or Piper. Alistair Alistair Crowler that actually came up with that. He even called himself the beast dude. Alistair Crowley called himself the beast. He's the one known for actually coming out with the all saying I at least making it a pop culture thing Right.
Speaker 4:I mean, and then you see all the celebrities today doing the Yoda from Star Wars. He actually okay. So that demon he summoned up that was based off of Yoda, right there, like, yeah, believe it or not?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I believe that because, well, dude, star Wars is a huge breakdown of the whole biblical story, bro.
Speaker 4:It is Star Wars. Yeah, I got Star Wars, me too, dude when I get my podcast room.
Speaker 1:Dude, we're putting lightsabers everywhere, by the way, okay, but dude, no. I mean that movie is based off of biblical Story.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean they rip it from the Bible all the time. All these movies and music and dude.
Speaker 1:It didn't hit me until I looked at Darth Vader's suit and then you could see the his on his suit, with all the buttons on his chest and everything it's Hebrew. It's Hebrew, right on his chest, it's Hebrew. Go look that up.
Speaker 2:It's super interesting.
Speaker 4:Oh, I can't remember that. Is he like the, like the Antichrist or something, the representative of Antichrist or the Beast or something?
Speaker 1:Yeah, like he's like he and when he it's basically you know he was good, right, so representing good. And then he fell he goes, you know, turns evil, and then he basically like dies and is reincarnated into this weird hybrid cyborg thing Right Transhumanism. But that's where I believe that the Bible is talking about. In the end days, there will be a mixture of iron and clay and clay representing flesh, human iron and great, which is crazy.
Speaker 2:Look what's happening right now. We got the Elon Musk, didn't he just recently come out with another?
Speaker 4:chip You're doing trials. Yeah, actually, he already got the go ahead to do it now.
Speaker 2:They're already doing the first one right now, dude, so I just heard the other day Christian was telling me that they were about to start doing it.
Speaker 4:That can't be good Spiritually and physically. We all know that. Just no go bro.
Speaker 1:What the whole AI thing is basically making. It's giving the ability to everyone to get normalized with having a gin in there. Yeah. Like this is the crystal ball right. Yeah, thousands of years ago, it's not absolutely in the back.
Speaker 4:Bite out the apple. Come on the apple symbolism is so obvious, it's insane dude.
Speaker 4:They actually mock us because they think people are so stupid that they don't pick up on this stuff. Dude, the majority has no idea, bro, but the thing is, I'll get it extra stepped, dude, when you have. So the devil is the prince of the airwaves, right, he was once a musician in heaven. So, bro, he uses music a lot, right, but also the airwaves, so he likes to do all that. And when he plays music and do all that, it's like voodoo beats and stuff that he puts on, like your Jay-Z song or another song like that. They're all sold out to Satan In the mainstream industry. They're sold out. So when you're listening to that, like they got demons going through the airwaves, dude.
Speaker 1:So there was an old interview. It was almost like a Dr Phil set up back in the late 80s or 90s and I think it was Antoine Levy's Levy right, His wife was on there and it was basically the head units of the head people of the Satanic church and they were speaking that basically that they are controlling the music industry and that you will listen to these frequencies.
Speaker 1:I can't specifically say what platform they were on talking, but they are sending these frequencies and that even if you are listening to it, you are like worshiping unwillingly, and you don't even know it. But you just talk about the music industry, like if it's the rap industry which, I'd say, most of it pretty much, is in the rap industry. This goes all the way back to like the rock age and like rock.
Speaker 2:And more of that.
Speaker 1:Now, who started rock right? It's the Beatles. It's the Beatles and Elvis right. Well, it's, it's. I believe it's specifically the Beatles, because when you look at their first album cover, if you look at their first album cover, cover yeah, they got all this stuff going on. If you look on the top left, which the first album cover has.
Speaker 4:Antoine Levy in one of their album covers no, it's, Alistair Crowley is in the people.
Speaker 1:He's in that. He's in the album cover, bro, which is yeah bro.
Speaker 4:There's a weird spiritism stuff like he traveled all over and did all sorts of weird stuff to it is weird.
Speaker 1:So I don't know, we're living just in a battleground. I feel like. I mean, it's almost like sometimes I'll have thoughts and I'm like how did I even think that Like? Did my consciousness like stir that up or did like, is it the Bible? Every?
Speaker 4:thought captive you know, because some of our thoughts are not our own thoughts. That's the creepiest thing too. It could be a demon or the power suggestion which all this propaganda and PSYAPs are being pushed at us every single day. And it's kind of scary how we've been conditioned even though we have no idea and we have to uncondition ourselves, dude. So if you say something you know enough, it'll become the truth in one's eyes. You know, because that's what Hitler did with a lot of the stuff you know right.
Speaker 2:Speaking about conditioning. I don't want to just completely go way off topic, not really, but I was thinking like of you know some good questions to ask you and I'm like that's obvious and this is for anybody that wants to answer, but mostly for Taylor. I was thinking. I was like the whole white Jesus dilemma, like everybody's on. So what's that? What do you think that's about? Do you think Jesus was white? Was he black? Was he mixed? Was he?
Speaker 4:He was definitely not white. Here's the huge issue on the whole thing. It's been a huge issue. Now, what he did is what matters most the skin color. That's such a petty thing Of course, it is Of course it is.
Speaker 2:I don't know what white man that was in the Middle East to you, but definitely was not white.
Speaker 4:Yeah, right, right, he was not white. More likely he was probably a brown man, and the Bible does describe that. He did have a beard and stuff like that. And you know he didn't. He wasn't an attractive looking person per se. People think he's just like oh, you know what that white hippie Jesus on a cross looking thing was from? It's from. I know they're going to get mad, but the Catholics made that. It's Axar Caesar Borgia, and he actually had a gay lover and they decided to make his image Jesus, which is totally blasphemous. And that's what every Catholic has on their wall Not everybody, but the majority of that, and we're not supposed to make idol image.
Speaker 4:Yeah, oh no. If you're a real Christian, you better not have that. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Like I would say the majority of people, like they still. I mean, that's the image that not necessarily worship, but that's the that's the go to image of Jesus.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and it's wrong. It's not Jesus at all, it's Caesar Borgia and people.
Speaker 2:So that was the point. That was my question. Like it is petty, it's garbage, the whole skin thing is totally petty, but my point was like there's got to be a reason for that, though, because it's everywhere, and you just answered it pretty much so that's crazy so it's bored. What's the guy's name? Caesar Borgia man. I wish we could. Could we pull?
Speaker 1:him up. What's crazy is when you, when you said that, which I think in the Bible it also talks about, that the antichrist will not have, uh that is the antichrist image right there, right. Like, like he won't be gay. It doesn't say that, but it says he won't. He will not have affection for women, for women, right? So yeah, and which makes me think too, I'll take it.
Speaker 4:Even I think it. I have a I don't know who I think might be it and I know it sounds terrible, but unfortunately I think it might be Obama dude, and he peep this he's with Michael, not Michelle. So I truly believe that. Yes, I truly believe it. And um, what was it? Who joined rivers got killed for saying that too. We all know Obama's, we all know Obama's gay and stuff like that. She got killed the next day, bro.
Speaker 1:Like dude. Why? Why would she say that? I think it was like two of some TMZ like camera guys, she got killed, she was killed, she was she was dead a week later.
Speaker 4:It was the next day or a week later. Yeah, yeah, what did?
Speaker 2:she die of. Do you guys know? Overdose? Probably, yeah, overdose, or a heart attack.
Speaker 1:Two bullets to the face. Hey, they do have a heart attack gun. That's a CIA. The CIA has a heart attack gun.
Speaker 4:I'm sure they have way crazier stuff too now, and to be honest, they could probably just have some witch asshole project in your house and kill you too.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? Oh, dude, dude, dude, it goes to level.
Speaker 2:There's levels to this, so we figured that out, so there's a good question. So you you're saying that the image that everybody goes off of that's Jesus fall gay white man.
Speaker 1:Yep, a gay white man, a gay hippie, a gay Well and if you look at the image right, if you look at the image right, if you look at his image, he has one hand up, one hand down like a bathroom, like like, oh really, as above, so below, and if you look, at. If you look at the Statue of Liberty, statue of Liberty has the same thing right One hand up holding the light Lucy.
Speaker 4:Lucy Babylon, jezebel to yeah, oh yeah, that's what that represents.
Speaker 2:Hit me, Louis. Is Jezebel the same as Ishtar?
Speaker 4:Because I've heard that's it's getting me with no, but they have the same way. But he's like Ishtar is a pagan fertility goddess, but yeah they were.
Speaker 2:so they were shown old carvings of Ishtar. It looks just like the Statue of Liberty. I know, isn't that creepy, it's nuts dude.
Speaker 3:I know Nothing new in this world, so nothing new under the sun.
Speaker 4:The Bible says yeah right, it's just repeating. They're just regurgitating a whole bunch of crap over and over and over, but I do want to put this in there. Tartaria, though Thoughts.
Speaker 1:Oh dude, dark ages. Are we talking dark ages here? Kind of no Tartaria.
Speaker 4:Mud, flood type of stuff, like OK, so we had technology. I'm going to blow your minds. We had technology in Bible days that was greater than now. Yes, keep that right. And here's the thing Tartaria. If you look up Tartaria, the building.
Speaker 4:You ever notice how the buildings the churches have like steeples that have like needles and stuff on the top right they're getting those were actually getting energy from the earth and free. You ever hear of free or like free energy and stuff like that. They don't want us to know that, but they had all these like towers and stuff. Even look at the. What is it called? In India they have these Vihimas or Bahamas.
Speaker 2:Vihimas. Thank you.
Speaker 4:Thank you, vihimas. They used to fly around using this energy from the earth and they're like tethers and they would like and if you put these tethers next, ok, take a copper, a copper rod, and put it in a garden and it'll grow your garden.
Speaker 1:Bigger, bigger, bigger it's proven.
Speaker 4:It's proven, it's not. It's not some oh use a conspiracy theories, it's literally already been proven. So, bro, these things were like batteries and ships and all sorts of stuff, and even in Catholic churches and stuff like that, they literally have vibrate. You know, when water, when you're playing music, and water changes and stuff like that. They have like these certain patterns, they make right. They have them in Catholic churches and different steeples and churches throughout the world and they make certain frequencies.
Speaker 4:They were actually healing rooms, Like these buildings were actually made to heal. You play a certain frequency and it heals the body, or 55. Yeah, and thank you. Yeah, exactly. And then they have stuff at like 432 Hertz and stuff like that. They were healing rooms, actually physical and spiritual healing rooms. But the thing is, we've been all this super technology that they had. They just they take it away from us. They always do this. Every so often they do a great reset and they take it away from us. They had their golden age and then they don't want people to have that information no more. So basically, we're like slaves to these elites, you know.
Speaker 3:Here's my, here's my. Here you go, ed Louis. No, you go, you go, jeff. Well, I was going to say you're talking about free energy.
Speaker 2:What's the what's your take on Stephen Greer? Because he's trying to right now. He's like all into this, like this East, this reaching out to these aliens through meditation, but he's also telling the public like, hey, we want to give you free energy, we're trying to know, if it's all in angels and demons.
Speaker 4:He's doing the same thing as they people were doing for centuries. Totally, in my opinion, very stupid. Because how in the world do you get to trust a lying entity which has been known to lie aliens are. The whole job is to deceive, kill and destroy, just like their father, the devil. So, yeah, you might get some temporary powers, yeah, you might get some information. That might or might not be true, but at what cost, you know?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I just think, like him trying to come out with all the technology, he's got the documentary though. Well, yeah, I'm sure they have.
Speaker 1:I think what he's, I think again, it's like it's it's half true and half Right. Yes, I think like what he's talking about, like as far as government projects and spacecraft and that you know, nasa, boeing and all these military industrial complex that lies.
Speaker 2:Right, and that's his, that's his thing, that's his check. He's like, hey, they've been lying to you, but I'm going to usher in the devil, right.
Speaker 1:Exactly. It's like when someone gets too close to the truth, they send out an op and then they pay opposition. They talk, they talk truth, but then they, they sprinkle a little wise the, the narrative that they still want you to believe, right? So so his narrative like I get half of what he's saying, but then the other half he's like oh yeah, these are ETs and stuff and all this, everything, whatever.
Speaker 2:And I'm just like Right, that I'm saying, but that's the punchline. He doubled down on that. He's like they're, they're, they're not, they're harmless, they're so friendly. He doubled down on that. Every time he talks, he doubles.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah, like we'll see how friendly they are Right. You want to give your babies up to Moloch and ball and all this stuff too, and for blood sacrifice to gain power on their face. Yeah, exactly, yeah, that sounds real cool, like what. Yeah, I mean, just, I have to give up my baby or do something crazy like that, like to gain powers. That it's not a God I want to serve. Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Like, yeah, it's a negative soldier, but you have him to conjure up the lights in the sky, right, I mean it's, it's, I think he's which fallen ages, which which. When I did see that video that I think you're talking about, like there was, there was a group that was out there and they were like, say, on seeing this and they're off the coast. Yeah, and they're off the coast of of the ocean Right and these lights are appearing.
Speaker 1:I even think, there's a place in Florida that he was doing this Right, and when I was going down my my alien route of things, it just kind of started. I just saw a lot of mixture with these, this alien narrative, with occultism, and I was like, yep, it's got to make sense.
Speaker 4:So I'm like it's got to make sense, but notice every time someone has a demonic encounter or sleep paralysis with a world called sleep paralysis, it's actually demonic attack. But in your mind, if they shut your because I have this happen to me a lot too like they'll shut your mouth so you can't say anything, you can't move your. It's like slow motion, punching type something. You know what I'm saying. But the thing is, if you pray to God and you say Jesus, help me, or they let, or you can, you're able to speak. You say Jesus, help me. They hate the name of Jesus, they flee, they go boom, they have to flee. And people have noticed that if you look at through all the alien abductions and people who use the word Jesus, they all flee, every single one of them. So that's, that's the commonality that we see in these alien abductions and all these weird events and stuff like that. They that even people are not Christian has said that they say Jesus, help me or something, and they've all noticed the same same stuff happened.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go to one of his meetings and start praying about Jesus and not tell anybody. I'm going to show up.
Speaker 4:I've been praying against it the whole time and he's like it's not working today. I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3:He's freaking Christians. Bro Stevie said that like he sees the connection between aliens and the occult and all this stuff.
Speaker 4:Aliens are demons and fallen angels, and also very, very ancient evil beings too.
Speaker 3:So here's my thought process, though in some of it is throughout history. You see a lot of paintings, especially religious ones, that will be UFOs, ufos, yep, that's the truth, right? Also, if you look at the different historical texts, especially India's ancient texts, you go to Greek, the Italian stuff, native Americans, all over the world, south America most of their stuff lines up, right, it's yeah, like the flood, they all have the same story.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and it's like when you're looking back at all the pyramids right, like all the pyramids right that are specifically
Speaker 1:somewhere in lay lines and all that.
Speaker 3:Yeah Right, so all these things we talked you kind of brought it up earlier like that it's all. Just all the different religions are looking at the same elephant kind of deal, Yep, from a different angle. It very much seems like that, especially if you look at things historically. The different deities are the same.
Speaker 4:There's some stuff that line up with the Bible, but they'll try to say that, oh, you guys stole it from us. No, no, like they're copying what the Bible made, See, and it just goes back to well, some the Bible is because you gotta remember like the Bible is this collection of books? Yeah, but they weren't the only books that were around. Oh yeah, exactly Like the book.
Speaker 3:You know the oldest Bible of in existence as books that are current. The Bible that most of us read doesn't have Right Exactly, yeah, oh, and with the book of Enoch, like a lot of those things do line up and I don't presume to know, like to have the capacity to understand what God is and stuff, or who he is. I feel like even Christianity, even reading through the Bible, it tells you, it explains to you the magnitude of what God is, but obviously we're incapable of understanding that man or God's ways are higher than man's ways.
Speaker 4:But the thing is we know. We know him more and more each day as we read his word and we pray to him, have our own personal relationship with him. That's why that's the platform to learn off of, and then we have our own personal. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3:Right, right, but as a like, fallen angels are still angels If you're saying the fallen angels are aliens and demons right, absolutely. I contend, I submit, that that unfallen still risen, or however, whatever. Whatever you call them, angels are also aliens.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so do. This world views aliens. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Right, and they can still like, they look freaky, right. Yeah, like to me. They wouldn't necessarily change your techniques just because now they're on earth, right. Well, so, like a say, a good angel, a regular angel, comes down and you know, maybe he's there, maybe he's not fucking with you, but he's still there and you might still have sleep paralysis, you might still have these deep dreams, you might still have, yeah.
Speaker 2:So what's the deal with guardian angels? Because they're supposed to protect you from that right or absent from certain people.
Speaker 4:And no, everybody has has two guardian angels. That's biblical. But the thing is, sometimes we let things in our life have a doorway to mess with us. Like if we're messing with something we shouldn't, sometimes that'll give the enemy a foothold. Sometimes stuff happens it will only happen because God's letting it happen.
Speaker 4:There's always a reason why God's letting it happen and stuff like that. Just like you know people who get like killed or something like that by another person and be like, oh, where was God when this happened? It's not God. God gave us all free will and people sin. So therefore we're, we have to deal with negative effects of sin. So sin is still in this world. So therefore we are still having the effects of sin on us and we're experiencing, we're living in a fallen world right now because it's not perfect. You feel me. So. That's why we're experiencing a lot of negative stuff, sometimes like that, and even demons try to attack and stuff. Heck, when you're a Christian, you get attacked twice as more. You know saying because he hates you, because you're part of God's crew. You feel me so yeah, I think that oh good, good good.
Speaker 2:Well, this kind of leads me into my other question that I had and it's kind of it's a really difficult question. It's a question that I asked Stevie to yeah, good, and it's it's. You know, not by any means I believe in Jesus Christ. I'm of the faith. I had my experience and I've, you know I'm. I've known Stevie since we were we babies and he's been in, been a Christian and been studying the Bible for plenty of years now and he's convinced me of a lot of other things that I thought were a certain way and they're not. And I, you know, and I've come around a little bit on a lot of different ideals. But how do you explain to an atheist that the Bible is the word of God? How do you explain to an atheist that the Bible is true?
Speaker 2:Well, first, if you had to because, first of all, you don't.
Speaker 4:you know I would answer that like you don't, but yeah, it's very hard to but if I had to I would say, okay, I'll, I'll piggyback off of what I forget his name is. But you look at a painting. Right, there's got to be a painter. Same thing with this earth and this and everything in it there's got to be a creator, you know if there's creation. So you look at all the other religions of the world. They're all about me, me, me, myself. How do I better myself? They're all looking inward and Christianity is looking towards others, like you know, being selfless. That's. That's something that spoke to me too. But how I don't.
Speaker 4:Also, it's kind of hard to prove to people, especially when they don't have the Holy Spirit, to kind of, you know, awaken them to stuff. But the thing is, you know, you, you don't see air, but you still breathe it, right, a lot of the stuff we can't see, but they're still there, just like demons and angels and stuff like that. But the thing is you first have to, you almost have to go this route. You have to convince them that the spirit world is real. Some of the first you know, like because if they don't, they're not going to believe in God or the devil. Some of you got to convince them that at least the devil's real, because then by default God's got to be real. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4:So I usually what I usually do with people is I take them down that route and I show them. Hey, if witches and warlocks are staying up till three and four in the morning praying to their demons and their gods and stuff like that, and they're actually seeing visible conjurations and stuff like that, don't you think that's a good indicator that the spirit world is real? And therefore, if the spirit world is real, then where are they coming from? What is the source? You look at the sources, right, and there's only good and evil in this world, right? Like there's no in between. With that stuff. You know, you can't be sitting on the fence, you can't serve two masters, so it's either good or evil and there's clearly in the physical realm there's good and evil. Actions that I can do. I can be like, hey, how you doing? Or I can go up to you and smack you in the face, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think too that like the biggest thing.
Speaker 1:The biggest thing with me is the accountability and the historical accountability of things. And it's like when, I think, when we first started our podcast and everything I started to get into like the first civilizations that we know of today, and you had the Mesopotamian Empire, right, so you had the Babylonians, the Akkadians and all this stuff and then I read in Genesis. In Genesis I think it's like chapter five or six, but it talks about that Nimrod was the first king of the world. Basically he was. He was the figure that the Antichrist is going to be very similar to and that he ruled over. It says he ruled over Babylon, akkadia and all these other places that were a part of the ancient Mesopotamian Empire.
Speaker 1:And then when we look at the ancient writings, right, we have like cuneiform and was it Syrian? And and those writings. And this is like where we kind of like get into like Anunnaki talk, which I want to get into, and and right after that we have Genesis six, which talks about that the sons of God came down into the women of men and, you know, made wives into them and so. So when you see that history there, it makes the Anunnaki story a little bit more understandable.
Speaker 1:It means that there were these, these I mean super super, super natural beings right that came down, that were almost there. They were as gods to these people right like Hercules and that you know you had. It was almost like the very first mythology, paganism that was started by man. It doesn't mean that God's not real, it doesn't mean that his, the chapters before that you know, aren't real, but it makes an account that we can see that the beginning of civilization started in that area and it's just.
Speaker 2:It just correlates with the Bible and then, or did it pick back up in that area after the flood?
Speaker 1:No, well, it did, but then we also found it.
Speaker 1:We've also, as, as you know, geologists have another awesome finding, which is Globeckli Tepe, which is in Turkey, which is where it says that the Ark rested for a hundred and something days or until the water's receded. And when you, when you're looking at I've studied this too when you're looking at Globeckli Tepe, you're seeing that they're finding more and more. You know scripts of that that they're drawing, you know animals, animals that aren't necessarily indigenous to the area, and those animals are in pairs. So it's just the, it's the following story after the flood. And so when you, when you also go back to okay, so, scientists, today, how did we get all of the cultures today? How did we get all the nations? Well, they trace it all the way back to three specific types of cultures which what we see today as Asian, black and European, and so that they are, were the three sons of Noah. So you have sham ham and chip Japanese, or just see if I can't remember his name.
Speaker 1:But I'm just like, okay, well, that makes sense. And then I'd say the biggest thing that the devil does is he, he's, again, he's, he's the deceiver, and we're very easily to be deceived people. And so the narrative that's going to play out in the end is a narrative that started 1000s years ago. It's, it's. It started 1000s years ago. It goes all the way back to the Epic of Gilgamesh, right? So people today will go Well, the Epic of Gilgamesh was written 5, 6000 years before you know Moses writing Genesis, and they'll immediately discredit Moses writing Genesis. And it's like that's how, that's how quick that the flesh that I wanted to say to you about that too.
Speaker 2:It's like you can think of that a different way too. So you can think of Moses writing the story of the flood and Gilgamesh also writing the same story, and there's even people that say Gilgamesh is Moses, or something like that. No, no, no, gilgamesh.
Speaker 1:If anything, if anything. The society, that science society, today is saying that Gilgamesh is Nimrod. There's more accounts of Nimrod than Gilgamesh. Gilgamesh is described in in those stories as a mighty hunter and then I have you have. In Genesis, moses is describing Nimrod as a mighty hunter, and then there's other cultures that share. They're explaining the same description as Gilgamesh, but it's just a different name, and the thing is is that Gilgamesh is just another, in my opinion, a counterfeit of the real difference.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. Like, why can't it be all the same story?
Speaker 1:No, no, no, it's the same story, but you have to think of it. You have to think of, like a psychological, a male of a different view. Right yeah right, but you have to think of like the fleshly mind you can distort the view.
Speaker 2:I get that I understand the telephone game.
Speaker 1:It's not the view, but it's it's. It's meant to distort the heart and it's for the fleshly heart to go. Oh well, the Bible can't be true.
Speaker 2:Or if anything, the.
Speaker 1:Bible's copying this story, but it's.
Speaker 2:It doesn't have to sit like that Does the Bible say that Nimrod is a as a Nephilim, because when you look at Gilgamesh, he's a giant, he's huge and I would consider him a Nephilim, because that's what Nephilim means is giant, right.
Speaker 4:Well, I even Nimrod, well it does it turn himself into, into like a like some like hybrid creature, to like what he was describing. Now, like I've looked kind of into it, I have my trip into it specifically.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I kind of like it, yes, he was some hardcore witchcraft, but he was, he was the ruler of the world. So if anything like, yeah, maybe he was a giant, maybe he was how I see Nimrod is how I see bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like holding up, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, how I see Nimrod is like is like the, the Persian emperor in the movie 300. Right, like he was on a he was on a mission to take over the world, and he portrayed himself as a God, and you know he was a real emperor, wasn't he?
Speaker 1:The most. The most interesting thing is that, like he was building, what was he building? Now, the thing is is that Nimrod was, I believe, trying to reach the fallen again. He was trying to reach again. This is post flood, right. So he's trying to start Genesis six all over again. And so what did he? What did he do? It says that they, they've, they moved and they found a great plane. And if you're gonna build a tower, you need a great plane, you need a gigantic foundation, because the way tower of Babel that historians say it was like a spiraling structure of architecture going upwards. And so Babel, technically, in the Hebrew language, means to confuse right.
Speaker 1:Confused. To the Babylonians, it meant gateway to the gods. So they're trying to make their way up to the sky to try, and and what's funny is the Babylonians would would take a virgin up top. Why would they? Okay? Why are they taking a virgin? Why is the thing revolve? Why sacrifice always revolving around a virgin? Well, it's because they wanted to start the bloodline all over again.
Speaker 1:And the thing about the Bible is that they're the whole. It's a move, counter, move, move, move, counter, move, move between Satan and God. So every time God does something, satan comes and does something. Every time God does something, satan comes and does something.
Speaker 4:So it's always copies of what God made.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so I think that they were trying to start that Nephilim bloodline all over again, that that destruction of God's creation to, because at some point it's going to take over the initial creation, like that. I just compare it to like DNA, right, like this DNA. That's why he chose Noah, right, because it says Noah was perfect in his generations. And when the Bible uses the word perfect, it's only been related to Christ. And so I think that what they're talking about when it says I'll have to find the Hebrew word of it, but perfect, meaning like his DNA was not corrupted, so it's a bloodline thing. Because, right, you have the whole Cain and Abel thing in the garden, right, which they were of two seeds. Okay, so Cain was of the serpent seed and Abel was of God's seed. And so what did Cain do? Cain killed Abel, which is another. That's a counter move.
Speaker 4:Didn't he have a mark on his forehead too that distinguished him Like? He was actually like, yeah, of the serpent seed too, and people were born with it. Like it was crazy.
Speaker 2:Right. Yeah, it's that little thing that they can read your mind with. Right the lizard people? Yeah, no, I think he's a serpent and he's a freaking serpent.
Speaker 4:No no, for real, like I think he had some blood lines. Yeah, no, for real.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I believe there's something to that you ever seen the documentary above Majestic.
Speaker 4:No, I don't think I have.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I've seen it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you got to check it out. Above Majestic there's a guy that talks about that mark. Yeah, he's like serpentine human heads and they like can read your mind because they have this like no real talk.
Speaker 4:They have occultic powers, yeah yeah, the reptilians even have like that little parasite thing that comes out of out of that and goes into people too. It's crazy.
Speaker 2:That's like that's where the alien gets that. That from then, right.
Speaker 4:Yes, absolutely yes. Yeah, it's the viril they have. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4:It goes out and goes into someone's like I, super messed up. But demons are like the spiritual parasites of the freaking spirit realm. Yeah, but there's actually physical ones, with a viril and reptilian.
Speaker 1:But yeah, there's some talk to that, like there's a. I guess it's like a theory. It might be biblically backed up, but that the nephalum, the dead nephalum, are this, the demons, and that since they are not of actual soul because they're wandering and integrate you know creation that, yeah, they're. They're not. Their judgment isn't here yet, Like right now.
Speaker 2:you have to wait, so they're walking around you know, we just go on it or mother fuckers Right, that's what.
Speaker 4:I'm saying who you gonna call.
Speaker 1:But but, louis, this goes back to what you were saying too about the connections of the different cultures, right? So, like you had, you know, pyramids over here, pyramids over here, and these pyramids you know, not only to probably energy technology structures, but I think too it had it was copying the same thing that the Babylonians had going on, and maybe maybe they were trying to get up to the gods again and to integrate again. You know here's no.
Speaker 3:I don't know. Here's my thoughts on a lot of that. All these tailors absolutely right, you're right like all these things are out there. They're connected. They had previously technologies that we don't understand, that we may never ever understand. We've humanity has had to rebuild the wheel so many times over. There would be for cataclysm that came. If you look at the story of the Anunnaki a cataclysm was coming. They had to leave, right. You look at the story of Atlantis cataclysm came, wiped everybody out. There were supposedly survivors from that right, so they still exist. Every time that happens it resets us. If you think about it. If, even if it was just Florida right, florida is all of humanity A cataclysm comes, they wipes out, shoot even only 60% of us of the 40% that's left. How many of us actually know how to do like? Do you know how to build a computer screen? Do you know how to build a car? Right, right, like. How many years do we have left?
Speaker 4:How many like, and they do it on purpose.
Speaker 3:sometimes too, like, like so every time society resets, there might be some people left that, like we, if we survived we would know how to use all this stuff. But once this stuff breaks, yeah like. So then there's just going to be remnants of all the things that we once had and our grandchildren are gonna like we'll tell them stories. I remember when we had power and this thing used to do this and they'd be like whatever old man, turn your butter yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 4:Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1:It almost makes me think, like the generational theory and how we're going. You know, all the generations go through this cycle and I want to get your guys's thoughts like what do you think? Why was there? Why was there a burst in technology and knowledge? Let's just go back 200 years ago to where we're at now. But there wasn't anything before that, until probably another time period, and then a reset and then another right. And I think maybe, like we're at that time where this technology specifically is for like a mark of the beast system, or a beast system at itself.
Speaker 4:We're definitely, I think it's coming to fruition, like we're in that time, to where they're going to be like, okay, now we can finally do our full plan. We're going to go ahead and initiate all this crazy technology, like the CRISPR stuff, transhumanism, all this other crazy stuff. See, we have stuff that we're probably like 20 years ahead of us, that we know about right now, that they haven't implemented yet. So, you know, we can clone people, we can do all this crazy stuff. So they're going to implement all this stuff, like you know, and then it's going to. It all just leads to the beast system, you feel me Like it leads to like chipping people, bio upgrades, you know, because they're trying to take away what God created. So, of course, they got to try to mix and create hybrids and stuff, like in the days of old. They're just doing the same story today.
Speaker 3:So my thoughts on it of you guys, we kind of discussed a little bit earlier, right, but every time there seems to be a big burst in technology, it's someone who may or may not be associated with the occult, or like they seem to have some sort of knowledge. You can call it esoteric knowledge. It's, you know, something that no one else seems to know, whether it be Tesla or the dude from. Nasa or whatever. You go back to the Middle Ages.
Speaker 4:They get it from fallen angels every time.
Speaker 3:And so that's when we start getting these bursts of technology. But on that's say, that's our left hand. In the right hand there is religion, and, and not necessarily like Christianity or or or Islam or anything, but just like the institutions of religion and the superstitions that often comes with that, where, anytime it's something you don't understand, it's black magic, right? Yeah, like somebody falls down and starts shaking and foaming at the mouth. Right, they've been attacked by which, and now people are just getting killed because they're a witch, right? And it just so happens that the dude had epilepsy, right? That's why we have the middle ages and they don't understand it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, and see, that's why you got a different shape between yeah, it's, there's a fine line comes up with something.
Speaker 3:Then was was like that's half the middle ages was because people superstitious superstitious, right? Yeah, so, like the black plague, it spread through fleas. People who had cats didn't have rats and the rats had the fleas. So the people with cats didn't get sick when everyone else was getting sick, but cats were associated with being devil worshipers and witches. So now, all of a sudden, they're getting killed just because they had a cat that was eating the rats.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I think, they had.
Speaker 1:I think I think you have a point. But I do think a lot of people discredit the discernment that people had back in the day and we're all kind of like conditioned that, oh well, people in the past they, they were not as smart as us or that how we are today. But I kind of think that, especially when I'm reading the Bible and this stuff was written 1000s years ago that these people, they had a mind like they were super smart people. If anything, I think they had more of a clarity mind, not non-floridinated pineal gland and all this other stuff and I totally sorry.
Speaker 3:No, you're good, so no, no no, you're good so.
Speaker 1:so it makes me think of, like Plato's Apollo apology of Socrates. And so Socrates was known as like a really like knowledgeable person. He was more tear than a lot of others at that time and in Socrates writings, like, he even says that he carried a gin around with him, which that that word gin, the etymology of it, goes from gin to you know the Greek language, which was translated into daemon, which was basically an all knowing entity, and it would save him from, you know, death. Even it would. It would give him pointers of like, hey, don't go down this road, they're trying to kill you over here. Or don't go down this road, they're trying to do this to you over here.
Speaker 1:And I think that a lot of people at in those ages they knew the witchcraft, like they knew the sorcery, the occult, whatever it is you want to describe it as it's had different, you know, labels throughout the ages, but that they knew it was of evil. And it's kind of like, when you watch the occult movies today, like they always come off as like they're okay or oh, it's not evil, or whatever.
Speaker 1:I mean, I was watching Hocus Pocus with Brit, hocus Pocus two with Brittany last night and if anything like the witches were were the good people in the movie and like people have of course the movie was the movie created like a soft heart for them, but in reality, in reality, the people that were against them were, like, viewed as bad, so it's like an inverted perspective of how reality actually was back in the day, or even today, you know, I think there can be good witches.
Speaker 4:Nope, they say they have all white magic is bad. I use my magic for good. That's cool and all, but like you're still coming from the same source and you're, it's not good.
Speaker 1:You know, it's like when we talked about earlier, like either either.
Speaker 2:So you think it's always inevitably going to lead you right back to Absolutely but.
Speaker 3:I'm going to play devil's advocate. Like is it? Is it the same source?
Speaker 2:So, yeah, because you can already discuss the angels and demons.
Speaker 3:One one just fell, one didn't write. So they have heavenly knowledge. That's the thing, right. But angels can have heavenly knowledge, so it's all right, I mean they both can't, but that's what I'm saying. Why can't the the gin? So we discussed in an episode previously that historically, gin and demons existed like as a species on earth. Right, if you look back in some of the Arabic texts. Right, and we coexisted, and then humans decided to just wipe them out or drive them away.
Speaker 4:Well, there was physical forms of things, yes, like as well as spiritual, yeah.
Speaker 3:So why couldn't that gin that Socrates carried around with him have just been an angel? It's one of his fault, or one that is falling, but one of his guardian angels so same for the white witches. That why? Why does their source?
Speaker 4:they call them ascended masters and all that they. There's different terms, but there's always. They come back to the same points, like they're either from God or they're from the devil.
Speaker 2:You know so and I would say, like guardian angels, like they're not allowed to give you information or help you in any way.
Speaker 4:You've got their mess. Angel means messengers, right.
Speaker 1:So you have to go back to like biblical doctrine, like so when you look at angels, right it's. It specifically talks about the angels of the Lord are messengers and that they they always start off like oh God sent me to do this, right. And so you're right. And so when you're, when you're, when you're testing that field out, those angels are are only fulfilling orders that God gives them. So like, if it's not, like they have free Rome, like they can just bounce out of heaven and, and and go down to earth, why?
Speaker 2:And?
Speaker 1:and appear as like a guardian angel. But every time that someone has seen an angel of the Lord, they've always been sent by God, so they've always been under the direction of of God, and so maybe you pray.
Speaker 2:You pray to your guardian angel and you ask God to send your guardian angel. Well, we shouldn't be praying to guardian angels, but I just can't ask God to yeah, oh, yeah, my bad, yeah, yeah, I'll go to pretty.
Speaker 4:God to ask to do that. I like, I guess I was like when I was a kid, I asked that.
Speaker 1:But yeah, yeah, I guess I'm just trying to answer the question that, like like Louis saying like I get what you're saying, but I don't think that they have the free Rome like like you're saying I think the ones that do have the free Rome, which?
Speaker 2:is described in Job.
Speaker 1:You know that that the devil has the ability to come from, go to earth and to heaven, and so, because they're falling, they've rejected their homeland per se, like yeah, their first estate.
Speaker 3:You say that he has to have an order from God. What if the order was just help this person out with whatever they need, right, well?
Speaker 1:and this goes back to. This is funny. I'll actually like talk about an actual, not real experience on my part, but a buddy that I'm friends with and he does psychedelics and during his psychedelic trips, like he's actually like that's psychedelics often, but in his trips he has these entities and like they'll, they'll portray themselves as something that's good and like these entities they have they. They're easily distinguishable that they are different, but they have different personalities, I guess.
Speaker 2:And it's almost DMT that he's taken.
Speaker 1:No, it's just mushrooms, but the thing is that it goes to like how, what do you? What is it called when, like, you're a Leo or you're a scorpion or all this kind of stuff? Astrology, right.
Speaker 1:So, astrology right, which is a big part of the occult, but it also shows you like that there's different personalities to these, to this astrology right, and it's either if it fits you or not, but usually I think that if it fits you, then you, you have this oppressor. That's a part of your life, because I think you're you, I don't think you're. You're that specific thing in fine to something.
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's right, they try to. It's almost like their version, like the angels manifesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like the angels aren't going to be deceiving, and every time that an angel of the Lord did come down and you know you have a message to people they were visual, like they, you could see them and they gave it and then bounced out, then bounced out, right, yeah, I'm just talking about off of what I know as far as, like the Bible says, because I'm not going to, I can always get in my own thoughts, but then again, like I'm not, I'm just not at that, I don't think that's the small thing to do.
Speaker 4:I got about five minutes, so if you have any last questions, for me let me know.
Speaker 2:I did have one, but I don't know. Yeah, it's just kind of we've been talking about it, it's kind of obvious and I was trying to think of a better way to ask it. But it's like, why is it that people are so easily turned off by talking religion or talking about Jesus Christ? And it seems like kind of an easy question to ask.
Speaker 4:Yeah, because the followers we will. We are only human as well, so we do make mistakes, we do get caught up in petty stupid debates. We argue, or we're stupid sometimes because we're not perfect. You know, and unfortunately, a lot of people have misrepresented God and or they like to call themselves a Christian, but they're living a double life and they use it as a mass to do evil. And that's what people see nowadays, you know like, especially like with the Catholic Church. They, you know, they preach all this stuff, but yet they sit on a golden throne and, you know, end up, you know, doing stuff the little boys and stuff like that that's garbage right there, you know that's. You know that's not what true Christianity is supposed to be. So you get a lot of people misrepresenting God or, you know, you just act out of character because we are, but humans. That's why we all need Jesus, because we're not perfect, you know so.
Speaker 2:Well, great answer.
Speaker 4:Thank you yeah, but yeah man.
Speaker 1:Man, I mean, and like Jesus was like of the, of the other realm, right, like, so like. His story is that he was birthed into, like you know, a virgin mother and all this stuff, and that angel appeared to Mary and blah, blah, blah, that whole thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:And it just lets you know that there's another realm out there. If it's, if it's what you believe in.
Speaker 4:Right, absolutely.
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